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POWER BOCKING EXPERIENCE => Beginners Board => Topic started by: RicochetBNB on May 26, 2009, 06:19:01 AM
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Moving off of Jason's ouchie topic lol. Ok so I am after bocking two days I am down to 150 lbs (68 kg) (lost 2.5 lbs already). The bocks I bought and got Friday are Poweriser Advanced 90120, 198-266 lbs (roughly 90-121kg)... so yeah bought way outta my weight class... yes I knew that before hand lol (if you have not read my other posts already).
Thing is IM A NEWBIE to bocking so really wasn't thinking that I would NOT be able to jump on springs as tight as these. But like after a while will they loosen enough to jump? Some say I'm screwed to buy softer springs (can't afford $181.00 springs), others say in a while I will be doing killer insane flips and sh!t... so lol which is it?
Also since they do not flex at all basically and I'm short and they are huge I can't stand up from being on the ground or steps even. I had to crawl to the cars and stand up using them lol. I tried all kinds of ways getting up like I watched on YouTube videos but nothing worked. I even lowered my calf cuff bar (major bruises cuz they were to high anyways!) still was unable to get up. I ended up just going and sitting on my car and putting them on so I could just stand up but if I ever get to jump and then fall... I'm going to need a car or a crane :Claugh: :Claugh: :Claugh:!
Walking in them is easy peezy! I can bounce from foot to foot, jog, run a bit, whatever but even trying to FORCE a jump or hold on to something and MEGA FORCE a jump I only get slightly off the ground... if I keep working on walking, bouncing, forcing jumps... they will loosen right... I WANNA BE JUMPING :Ctongue: !!!!!!!
They are still cool to have though either way hehe :D! And bockers are so much nicer than skateboarders, skaters, and all those other cats into their extreme sports.
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:Claugh: well tbh it's about 50/50 whether you fail epically or somehow crack it and get really good height, all depends on how determined you are to learn etc, as it's only been a few days it's too early to say, though you buying too strong springs is fact :P
after about 8 months - a years practice i could effectively use 90-120 springs(s-rexes, so soft in comparison to yours still :D), so it all depends on you really
oh and you WILL get pretty bad ockers back once you start going for it, learn to bound around from one foot to the other first, trying to jump on too hard springs is difficult at best
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Dag... why did I have to be so dumb :Cno:?!? I'm not giving up on these but if I get a few sales from the affiliate program and get a chance to get softer springs I guess I will. Are they hard to change out (the springs I mean)? Otherwise I will work on these and hope for the best. If by Christmas it is still a no go then I will try to get softer springs then lol! Dang though that is a ways away :Cmask:!
Would jumping off of stuff to try to break them in a bit be even dumber than it sounds haha :Ctongue:?
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Mate there's always the chance someone wants to swap springs beacause they need stronger springs. So just advertise this fact and maybe someone will swap with you. They'll probably get abetter deal out of it as theirs will be worn in more but that may be better than having a pair you can't jump in and waiting until Christmas!!! That's always an option. Hopefully though if you just practise you'll wear them in enuogh. Good Luck! :thumbs:
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Thanks for the idea, that is an option, but I think I will just keep working at it with what I got :Csmile:... at least until I can get my own softer springs (if needed) lol... that way I can change back to the tighter springs later on if I need to :Cyes:.
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u cud keep ur hard springs for when u get better and maybe buy suumones old springs off here for a really cheap price? then u can learn to bounce on soft springs and when ur ready get ur strong ones out?
as everyone says its inevitable you will get bockers back but only for like a week while ur back muscles get bigger :P
dont let it stop u a little pain in the back is worth some good height :P if u do get pains in ur back rest for few days ;)
but other than that u better be on them bocks non stop :P mwuahahaha
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you will be able to compress them eventually and get good height out of them, but it's gonna take you a long time to learn the technique on such stiff springs. I think the lesson here is listen to bockers rather than bock salesmen on what to get. We reccomend 10-15 kg over weight and you went 20+kg over.
You had the right idea in your pic of holding on to something to get better compression. I just switched out my spings from year old 90120s to brand new ones and damn they're stiff. I can still bottom them out pretty easily but i'm 90kg and it takes a hell of a lot more effort than i'm used to. They'll soften in time, but there's a middle ground between them getting soft and you learning the proper technique where you'll get the height everybody wants.
So ideally, a pair of 7090's would enable you to learn much easier, but you've said that's unlikely to happen any time soon, so you've just got to stick with it.
You could also contact the seller which you said in your other thread suggested the 90120's and tell them that they gave you bad advise and you can't use them and you want to exchange them. Idk how well they'd take it, but as it was based on their advise its possible, and hopefully it'll make them think twice before giving the same advise to others.
Also as your in SC, you're already on the other forum and check out the capital bocking USA thread, big meet US up in Washington DC at the end of June
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Remember jumping on one foot then the other is a good way of loosening the springs as it's twice the weight on one spring. So just keep doing that and trying two footed jumps now and then. With my springs being like 15 kg heavier than I am to begin with it felt like a struggle to do a two footed jump but as soon as you get a little bit of height because of the added momentum you find you quickly start becoming higher and higher.
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I would say call the guy who sold them to you and explain that you have been told that they are way to heavy for you and as he recommended them it isn't unreasonable for him to exchange the springs
Offer to pay the postage and see if he will change them
So far everyone has said you are 30 kg over but the 90/120's are 90 at the low range so taking a middle ground you are punching 45 kg above your weight and on the worst case 60 kg over so you will have a hard time compressing them
Sorry to be the bad news guy but I would rather tell you now when there is a chance they will exchange them than be kind and let you scr***e them up and have no chance on swapping them
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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yea, I WOULD KEEP THEM because I am under 60kg and have 7090's and I bottom them out and would ike to see if 90120s would give me more height, but honestly, the whole getting up thing doesnt have to do with the spring tension, mine and many other do not even move when getting up OR when walking, so the springs arent the issue there...
I think you would be able to do it if you just kept at it!
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Thanks for more advice guys. Even if I thought I had been ill advised, which I don't really because it was my decision, I was told the options and chose the 90120s. But anyways I tore the pretective rubber that was over one spring and they now have 4 layers of tape over them so no sending back. It's ok, I will just keep jumping from one foot to the other until they hopefully loosen some to try to JUMP JUMP! It is one heck of a workout and I need that right now. I need to be down to between 115-130lbs (52-59kg) or close to it by July 16th for a trip to Maui. So far no hurting in my back, just legs a little, and stomach muscles lol.
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just hold onto a wall and jump but remember to keep your legs straight on the way down and put all your weight into your heals
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Ok so with that said. This video from today (my 4th time on them) is bad cuz I was bending my legs lol? I was just trying to force the h3ll outta the springs and make myself jump :Becky:! hehe...
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you're not really bending the springs at all, you're getting height with your arms. Work them one footed, its the only way you're gonna generate enough force to bend them. So do the same thing you're doing but jump on one foot, that should let you soften them up faster.
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but the good news is you have slightly more bounce jogging, so progress is being made at least
(still need to fix that squeek :D
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I dunno darf, if she got good, she could turn that squeak into an interesting percussive instrument...
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K when I get off work today I will work with them, jumping on one foot at a time lol. Yeah if I leave the sqeek then I can get a drum and be like the weird one man band sorta deal haha... add some flips (really difficult with the band equipment) and it would be a fantastic show... paramedics standing by of course :Cwink: :Claugh: !
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Anybody know anyone wanting to get rid of a triple 8 bumsaver or anything similar for cheap? I so need a butt pad haha!
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few strips of that round pipe insulation, or swimming float thingies+duct tape=but protector
or jsut learn to roll over before you hit the floor
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Get yourself a foam Kneeling pad and cut it to shape they are really cheap and cut easy
While talking about foam if you go to your local Horse feed store (big ones ) they are selling lightweight foam mats
They are about 30 mm thick and aprox 1mts x 2mts and only £18 they make really good armour if cut to shape and work as thin crash mats
Best of all they are reallt tough and last well
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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If I had money I would do all that lol. I still need to get softer springs ($121-$181) and the carrying bag ($89.00). Also need tire armour, Im beating the heck outta these things, foot plate front is ALL scratched up BAD, esp. since I have not built up my leg muscles enough to stand up on my own correctly or sit down correctly lol.
Side note: Just saw a listing on ebay (USA version) for PoweriSers but they are PoweriZers so I emailed them about it! Am I mistaken or didn't PoweriZers have to change their name to PowerStriders? I read that somewhere recently. Anyone know for sure?
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I'm not exactly sure how that works but all of the new stock is branded under powerstriders, there is still some poweriZer stuff about. If the box says poweriZer then I guess it ok for them to be listed as poweriZers, not powerstriders. You were right to correct about the poweriSer thing. But yeah, poweriZer had to change their name to powerstrider.
Raising the footplate is seriously cheap. I mean, a couple of quid at the most. You could do it for £1 i'm sure. It's in engish money but you can still tell thats a cheap mod.
As for tire armor. Do you have halfords in the US? anyhoo, you can probably grab a tire for free if you ask at somehwere like halfords or a bike hop or something like that. They usually have some old dirty ones you can have if you ask nicely. Not everybody has been successful but it can be done. If you cant do that do something else for now. Got any gaffa tape lying around? that would do.
Don't worry about scratches. They happen, we all have scratched bocks. My footplate is pretty scratched too. But it doesn't matter ;) if they break thats something different. Getting up is an art lol.
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don't waste you're money on the PR bag its not worth the money, get a decent duffel bag and you'll be all set.
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Thanks. I probably wouldn't even have bought the bag anyways lol. Just it's gotta be a BIG duffle bag!
I was thinking that was the case with PoweriZer but didn't know if the site was correct or not. I guess the rest with the PoweriZer logo are old stock maybe?
Nope no Halfords that I know of. But maybe I could ask around at some places and see what they have laying around. Most places here HAVE to throw away what can not be sold or sent back for repairs. I have 4 layers of tape on it already but I'm slowly breaking threw that lol.
I dunno if I will ever be able to get up from the ground with nothing to help me get up ie a car or rails or something lol. I've tried different ways and can only get my butt in the air hahahahaha! Can't even get up from the ground with help from people either so far.
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Yeah. The poweriZer stuff probs is old stock.
If you know some places then you should be ok :) get youself a freebie tire. How are you damaging your springs?
About getting up. I cant really do it. Sometimes i can on grass but although its a good skill dont worry too much. It should come with practice. Look at the tutorials and stuff. Those techniques tend to work. Altho i usually end up splatting backwards but hey. Have you tried picking stuff up yet? Start with like a 2 litre bottle, then a small bottle, something like a hoody then money lol. It may help with getting up because once u have reached the thing how u stand up again is like the second part of it, after you have sorta pushed yourself up a bit. That probs makes no sense :D
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When I was putting them on on the steps and when sitting on the steps my springs rub up against the brick. Trying now to avoid that!
I know what you mean. I got a water bottle out of the bottom drawer of our fridge last weekend so I'm kinda there lol. Also tried going to the potty with them on lol... not such a great idea in a small bathroom with things hanging on the walls hahahaha! All I can do trying to get up off the ground is split and stick my butt up in the air, after that I'm stuck hehe.
Once the grass is dry here, I plan on working on it some more! Otherwise I will just have to put them on from a higher place so I can just stand up and hope I don't fall (yeah right :Cwink:)
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Hahahahaha! Honestly, i'm talking from experience but if your a lass going to the loo on bocks is an epic fail. Did a portaloo at the kite fest lmao. Mega epic fail!
Thats also how most of us put bocks on. no point making the job harder than you need too :D I get off them by falling lol.
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Yes it was an epic fail lol! I either fall onto our steps or try to walk up the steps and go inside and take them off or I can sit on a car and take them off. But normally I'm to tired to go anywhere so I just fall and take them off like you said lol.
I read you are supposed to sort of practice falling to get over the fear. When I tried the falling part for the first time, sorta forgot about my skateboard injury from about 7 months ago and fell catching myself with my left arm hurting my shoulder AGAIN (injured my shoulder in the skateboard mishap lol, also injured my neck since I flipped 3 times head first-but tilted, no helmet or pads lol)
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I read you are supposed to sort of practice falling to get over the fear. When I tried the falling part for the first time, sorta forgot about my skateboard injury from about 7 months ago and fell catching myself with my left arm hurting my shoulder AGAIN (injured my shoulder in the skateboard mishap lol, also injured my neck since I flipped 3 times head first-but tilted, no helmet or pads lol)
WOW -- your name really suits you then! :Claugh:
I hate falling -- but its Inevitable with me .... i just cant stop doing it! :Cswoon: so all i can do really is get padded up to my eyeballs
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Yep the name does fit lol. I made it up for MySpace but had a friend say it suited me because I was all over the place. Back and forth between what I like to do lol... so the name kinda stuck :Cyes:!
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I might film how I get off my bocks. I do actually just fall (in a pretty controlled way) also, you can get up in other ways. I put one on, hop to a wall, lean on it and then put the other on. Nothing strange about the latter.
Don't stress about falling and what you should be doing according to stuff on here and other places. It's better to do what you want to and what you feel comfortable with :) Learning to get up and stuff like that can wait.
How close are you to new springs?
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Im not very close now I don't guess, price is still to high to buy them right now I think... unless I go without food or gas for another week or so :Ccry:!
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Update! Going without food for another week I guess because I ordered softer springs, they will ship out tomorrow (Monday) and I should have them the next day hopefully :Cbiggrin:!
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Thats great! Look forward to hearing how you find them :)
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My 5070 springs are on da way! In route through Fedex--delivery Tuesay (technically today really since Im on the East coast in the USA lol)... hopfully early! Lucky for me I'm close to the XpHub hehe! I like fixing things and working on stuff so hopefully I can take off the 90120's and put on the 5070's with ease lol!
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50-70s?
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PR5070 - from 110-166 lbs (weight of user) or 50 to 70 kgs... I'm at around 68 kgs now so yeah I know if I try to go big NOW, esp. until I lose down to or near 115lbs (52 kgs) I will bottom out!
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got the new springs... 4 hours later not even one is changed! Finally got everything unbolted but the spring will not slide out of where it is supposed to slide out of! took it to a bike shop, dude said he could probably do it but i would get them back NEXT tuesday NO WAY! tried taking extra parts off... still can not slide the spring out, WTF?!!!!
Supposed to be so easy... my a$$!
I was wanting to use them today!!!!!!!!
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Which part is stopping them/in the way?
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like the middle part... i have the spring all the way off... even disconnected the hoove bar or whatever. that area in the middle it is freaking STUCK there and nothing else to loosen or take apart?!
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Powerisers have a metal part between the hoof part now right? Like 7's? Um..I am probably wrong but it seems logical that they would after problems with the old gen frames...hmmm *think* can you take a picture. It shouldn't get stuck. Besides. It was put in there at some point.
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Powerisers have a metal part between the hoof part now right? Like 7's? Um..I am probably wrong but it seems logical that they would after problems with the old gen frames...
Not as far as I'm aware Spud, but I haven't seen a stock pair of riSers since February. I know the american guys made their own block spacers to go into the gap where the 7's have the bar across the top.
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Powerisers have a metal part between the hoof part now right? Like 7's? Um..I am probably wrong but it seems logical that they would after problems with the old gen frames...
Not as far as I'm aware Spud, but I haven't seen a stock pair of riSers since February. I know the american guys made their own block spacers to go into the gap where the 7's have the bar across the top.
Hmm...I was only guestimating. I just cant understand why.
Take the whole hoof off. Look at Jason's tutorial and ignore the bit sprog said and take the whole thing off (sorry sprog, your way does work and I have to do it for one bock lol)
Jason's tutorial:
http://www.projumpforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3302
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I did take the hoove bar off! still nothing... there is still a metal piece that is not removable. It's just supposed to slide out from under it but the protect rubber is pushed down in there as well and then plastic pieces behind and on over the unremovable metal bar that the screw goes into for the hoove bar to attach. I don't have them with me now. they are at my moms. if they were here id probably throw them threw the window lol!
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I dont fully understand what you mean. I think it wouls help to take some pics and poss label them too. Not sure what parts you are refering too. If spacers are in the way it maybe possible to take them out but if you have taken all the bolts and brackets off that you need to it should be fine :/
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the metal tube holding down the plastic spacer will side out, they can be pretty stiff just tap it a few times.
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the metal tube holding down the plastic spacer will side out, they can be pretty stiff just tap it a few times.
So like where the screw goes through to hold on the hoove bars the metal tube that is in there with the plastic caps around it... I pop that out? Will it go back together easily?
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We so need easy namea for bock parts. Xs is exactly right. I assumed that was off already. Take it of that metal tube and anything that goes between that joint off. Its the harder of the 3 to put back but only because of the washers. Bit fiddly.
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I think I understand what you problem is Ricochet
To get the spring out of the hoof you need to remove the metal bracket that attaches the bottom of the spring to the bottom of the hoof
It is awkward but you can lift the spring a bit away from the hoof just enough to get a spanner on the nuts under the spring
Once you get the bolts out you can then wriggle the spring out
If you can't get the bracket off then go for the methoud Spud just suggested
You push on one end of the metal tube that runs through the top of the hoof and is should slide out (does take a bit of effort if they are newish)
Then you have to get one of the bushes out I find that sliding a blunt knife (like a butter knife) under the edge and slowly working round untill it comes out
Do the same on the other one and then the tube in the middle will come loose
It all goes back a lot easier than it came apart
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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I figured out to pry the spring up away from the hoove to remove the bolts (lucky I did not leave it at the bike shop as he was going to use a mallet to knock off the hoove pads!), but the spring would STILL not slide out. Two people trying and it would still not budge.
So the metal tube in the middle (at work can't upload the pic to a hosting site) with the plastic spacer type piece had to be removed. On neither stilt would it go back together with the spacer back in place so the plastic piece had to be scr***ed unfortunatly. Also at the top, the spring house normally has a washer on the inside on both sides well we could not get the housing to slide back on with them in place so we just stuck them on the outside and now they are together. Also one small washer ended up missing so one stilt is a little lighter I guess now lol just kidding :Cwink:!
It was very frustrating though and I DO NOT get how folks say it's easy. Trekkers must be easier to take apart because in the video I watched of spring changing (only one I could find) he unbolted the housing at the top and bottom and the spring slid right out!!??!!!
I guess I have to get used to them all over again too now because they are wobbler feeling and I can't run for crap on them now haha but I can FINALLY JUMP...some :Cwink:! Was only on them for about 10 minutes but even had my first fall (caught on tape, but the lense was fogged over unfortunatly :'(... can still upload if anyone wants me too lol.) but I'm sure there will be many more... I'm gonna use a foam pool noodle and tape to make me a butt pad for now haha!
Oh and also asked the bike shop guy, like the owner I think, if they had any tires they threw out and he said no... so that didn't work out... so taped the new springs too lol!
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If your bocks now wobble or click it will be because of the spacer. That middle bolt and metal tube is the hardest thing to get back. I have to like put a screwdriver through it and push down hard to get the bushings to fit in (well, with the heavier springs anyway). It would be possible to get the spacer back but it isn't easy. About the washers, that too is pretty fiddly and seems like they dont wanna go in but if you get the edges of the washer in you can sorta wiggle them in. It does all work. Again, not easy. They don't fall back together. That is why some people choose to slide it out I guess. But, if you have read the topic I gave you, and ignored the bit sprog said as I mentioned you would have known stuff before but hey ho.
I don't think trekkers/projumps are easier or whatever. My first set took me about 5 hours or something stupid. Much frustration. But once you have done it it gets easier. I can now do a set in an hour and a half including a cuppa between springs :D
Glad you taped the springs ;)
Out of curiosity, why did you choose the 50-70's when everybody previously said to get 70-90's? I fear these may be a little soft for you. As you said with running, its weird. I find it much harder to run on soft springs. Will be good for learning but I think what you will find is that you will need to upgrade once more to 70-90s later on :/ Even if you lose weight the chances are that the springs will not be at their best by that time and will probably be well worn in :/
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I will probably try at a later time to get someone more abled possibly to put the plastic spacers back in.
Glad I taped them too! When I fell for the first time they got stuck together!!
it's fogged but this is the video of it... can't tell much but it's funny haha... Im a dork!
Probably because I'm dumb :Cmask:? I dunno?
***BTW if any of you have added me on MySpace and I deleted you please let me know. I do adds for apps then delete them, so unless you tell me you are from here I will just try to add you for apps then delete you LOL!
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Try throwing your arms in unisen with your jumps ... like throw them up and pull your weight with them when u do .. this will help on getting some height .... I had to work with getting into the habit of doing this ---
Think of it like when you swing on a swing --- you pump your legs in and out and lean forward to get higher and higher each time ....
At least you are using your arms some, I just kept mine stuck to my sides when i first started. you just need to get them working together :Cwink:
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Also, when you jump you lift your knees up. Try to keep your legs straight, at least initially, you are lifting your knees before the springs has given out all the energy, which means instead of pushing you up they are just pushing your knees up so for now try to keep your legs straight. Not so straight that you injure yourself tho. Just try not to bend you knees. When you get better and get some height you will have the time to bend your knees after the spring has released its energy. Some people do it, some people don't. Makes little difference. It's the landing and take off that is important. And as bexx said, using your arms helps loads when you get the timing right ;)
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Don't bock without those black spacer for long you'll trash your stilts. The reason they're hard to put in is cause they stop the frame from wobbling, they've got to be tight to do that. Til you get them back in you're doing extra damage to the spring and the frame.
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Thanks for the advice. Also yeah I want the spacers back in, I just have to find someone who maybe has enougth strength/patience/know how to do it!
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get to CB and i'll put them in
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Thanks XS lol! Still no one has been around that could help with the spacers so I have not used my bocks since my last video. That and the fact that I SUCK on them :frownS:!