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WHAT'S HAPPENING NEAR YOU => Bocking Clubs & Groups => E A Bockers => Topic started by: Spud on February 21, 2009, 07:58:11 PM
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Hey, I am sorry I have to post something like this. But hopefully something positive will come of it ;)
Bocking is a totally awesome sport, it’s a blank canvas and at the moment people don’t really judge us as they would skateboarders. I honestly never want us to be labeled and judged like that. For example “bockers=bad” I really want us to keep up a good reputation. I want bocking to be seen as positive instead of negative.
Today we have been banned from the forum. It’s a real loss, it was really good place to bock. I blame nobody. It was inevitable and building up but it’s happened. And thats it.
What I want to discuss is kinda the way we react to being banned and sorta general behaviour out and about.
As I said, bocking is a blank canvas and how we behave now will affect how we are seen forever. We really need to respect the people and areas we bock, if not we are going to get a negative label and I don’t think it is anything anybody wants.
I think as a group we need to be more careful and respectful. Today there were a couple of bad moments around the castle, particularly around the lifts. Damaging the ceilings and setting alarms of is a real sure way to get a negative label attached. We were lucky today but it is really really important that we keep a good reputation. So I really would like people to respect where they bock. For the reputation of all bockers.
How do we deal with getting banned? Today, we were banned from the forum. I am not sure if before today all the more important people there were aware of what we were doing. And now they know, on grounds of health and safety, we cant bock there anymore.
Now, here is how I see it. The forum is a great place, its a shame we cant bock there. I would love to bock there again. But if we now go back there and bock, without sorting anything else it is damaging our reputation. I spoke to the guy, and I was polite and reasonable, we have left there, with a minimal dent to our reputation. But say we were rude or were to go back there and bock it would be quite damaging. We were asked last meet not to flip there, and we did. Its ok. Again, inevitable but just to keep a good reputation I really hope that nobody bocks there, or at a meet goes there, crazes to go there. For now at least.
I am willing to email and try and get some kind of compromise.
Comments would be appreciated. I hope people see where I am coming from and come up with some ideas on what we should do about stuff like this and behave as a group.
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I wrote this sometime ago and sound like you followed it ?
http://www.projumpforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1511.msg19041#msg19041
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Well said spud.
Excuse my ignorance but how did u damage ceilings etc?
What exactly is the forum, who owns it and is there direct public access?
You could turn this all on its head, but it depends how you react now that makes the difference.
Could someone come and talk about this on radiobock tonight (via telephone or something?)
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This was from last year.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/Dark-Knight/Bocking/ForumNs.jpg
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Well said Spud, totally agree and as Locky said, how were the ceilings damaged?
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Thanks Naz, Locky :)
There is a lift that goes from the mot area to the castle, the ceiling isnt very high, if you jump you smack the ceiling which is only made out of thin metal.
This is the forum:
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v251/167/45/707867724/n707867724_499125_4551.jpg)
I am not sure who owns it, but it is not the council. The library is inside it and it has both public access to both the outside and inside.
I understand it is really important to sort this out, and I think it could be turned around, its one of the reasons I made the thread. I dont think I have the experties but somebody might and really, its a group decision.
I can do radiobock if you want. I kinda know norwich well and spoke to security people and the person that banned us after but I might not be the best person.
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Well said Spud, totally agree and as Locky said, how were the ceilings damaged?
Was that in the lift ?
This has details on the Forum
http://www.theforumnorwich.co.uk/
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If it is private property the owners can take whatever decision they want to.
Most of the issues come from a health a safety prospective. people see the potential for problems and law suits from the general public. If your activity is not planned it will not have been risk assessed, this then also leaves the organisation liable if proven to be negligent in its actions and behaviours.
In most public places you will be questioned if you are considered to be a safety hazzard and have not cleared you being there with the right authorities. Often this is done by someone with limited power and limited knowledge who is on site at the time.
I am not the font of all wisdom in legal or public law matters. So feel free to challenge.
The big issue seems to be perception of safety. This can only be removed by working with people in authority understanding thier concerns and educating them.
With regards to the forum it might be worth asking them if you can put on a bocking demonstration and agree a date so you can show that you are responsible. This will though require you to have some form of Public Liability Insurance. Normally up to £500k as individuals or a group.
One last point if the forum is privately owned and they charge for using it to advertise etc they will not be happy with bockers turning up and upstaging the paying clients.
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Sorry I should have pionted out my picture is form last year, there was nothing there this time.
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I had a bit of this with the south bank and it really boils down to the area you were in being owned or not
Areas or the south bank are owned by various companys/societys/etc and they can ask you to stop doing anything they don't like bar walking (if there is a right of way)
But other parts are council/rivers authority/public and so long as the police are ok so are you
The problems start with over enthusiastic security guards that don't know the bounderies
So you might find that they will tell you to move from a large area of pavement which is council controled when they have no right the trouble is finding out which bit is which
A good guideline is who repairs it and who maintains it but like everyone has said most times a polite retreat is the best policy
I normally ask the security guards where their juristriction ends and they usually walk to the boundery with you and then stand and watch you bounce and chat about bocks so long as you are off there turf
We are gonna get a lot more of this as not to be judgemental but bocking does tend to attract the more mischievious fraternity so some time things get out of hand
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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the springers are semi-banned form going along part of the river in kingston, it's a big residential thing with lots of old ladies or something, when we were there on wednesday someofficial guy came and told us we can go through, as long as we're quiet (which is fair, it's a big load of private property)
...and we've banned ourselves from bouncing on the round mozaic type bits in the concrete, they break easily, even though they're stone bricks >.<
could try and get permission to bock there for each meet? if it's that good of a place that is
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Please don't get bnned form the moat. I know it's sad but it's one of my favourite places in the world!
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I think you have made a really really important point. I really dont know anything about this stuff but I was aware that if we were to hurt somebody they could be sued. Thanks for clearing it up :)
I do think we can turn this around and one day go back there. I would love to go back there and actually try and resolve this but I am not sure who to talk to. And now, I dont think we would be able to go back without PLI. Can anybody give me information on PLI? Costs ect?
I spoke to locky on radiobock, and what he said actually seemed very useful. His suggestion was that we write to the council. With the arguement that the reason we bock at the forum is that it is fairly open and we feel it is a safe place and if we cant bock there then we would have to go somewhere else we that is not as safe. I actually cant remember too much about what locky said. But it was good, just a lot to take in.
Hmm, we are getting on very well with the police, and security guards too. It was the other people at the forum we had problems with unfortunately. But knowing where boundaries start and begin is going to be critical for us I feel.
Darf, I dont think seeking permission each meet would help, not unless we had some kind of insurance because it is on the grounds of safety, permission or not the risks are the same :(
Brendan, I will try not to get us banned from the moat. It is one of the reasons I made this thread ;)
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PLI link :Cbiggrin:
http://www.projumpforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1787.0
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it really boils down to the area you were in being owned or not
The problems start with over enthusiastic security guards that don't know the bounderies
now thats the truth in a nutshell in a gold plated box!
i had the same problems while aggressive skating and mountain biking in birmingham, and on the of chance occasion even on bocks.
We are gonna get a lot more of this as not to be judgemental but bocking does tend to attract the more mischievious fraternity so some time things get out of hand
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
again i agree, but this leads to a deeper point i think, that although what spud is doing for her group and what a lot of people are trying to do for their groups or in their respective areas is wonderful.
To reflect on what naz has said a million times, the forum members in general are actually a minority compared to the amount of stilts that are sold.
So everyone here could be little cute puppy angels with butterfly wings and all the happiness in the cosmos and actually not make a dent on how our public image nationally is perceived.
i think the best we can do is what spud is doing.
make sure your groups favorite spots are bockable, because the owners/managers or security know your nice people and dont trash the place.
then meets can happen there and we can become a more public force for bocking spots being open.
thats coming form one of the people jason was talking about when he said "bocking does tend to attract the more mischievious fraternity"
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PLI link :Cbiggrin:
http://www.projumpforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1787.0
Thanks DK, I was hoping I could get some better info on it tho and I was more thinking of group insurance.
We are gonna get a lot more of this as not to be judgemental but bocking does tend to attract the more mischievious fraternity so some time things get out of hand
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
again i agree, but this leads to a deeper point i think, that although what spud is doing for her group and what a lot of people are trying to do for their groups or in their respective areas is wonderful.
To reflect on what naz has said a million times, the forum members in general are actually a minority compared to the amount of stilts that are sold.
So everyone here could be little cute puppy angels with butterfly wings and all the happiness in the cosmos and actually not make a dent on how our public image nationally is perceived.
i think the best we can do is what spud is doing.
make sure your groups favorite spots are bockable, because the owners/managers or security know your nice people and dont trash the place.
then meets can happen there and we can become a more public force for bocking spots being open.
thats coming form one of the people jason was talking about when he said "bocking does tend to attract the more mischievious fraternity"
Thanks Nero. You are so right. I want bocking to have a positive image and groups/forum members really are the minority and are unlikely to behave how we do. Maybe with less thought. My aim is to 1) keep bocking a positive thing (little out of my control but my it doesnt make my effort worthless) 2)Keep the EA bockers reputation good (very possible)
East Anglia isnt the best place for bocking. Norwich is our best spot. I dont want us to lose it.
One thing tho. Although there are many bockers not on forums I think groups have a bigger impact on bocking reputation than single bockers do. Single bockers can be treated as individuals, groups are more representative and are judged as more of a community. Groups meet up in public areas, I am sure many individuals dont go beyond their garden. There were some more reasons I forgot. All I am saying is altho we are a minority our impact could be much bigger.
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Spud Group insurance will cost you a minimum of £250 for up to 30 people . Ask to be quoted for £500k liability as this is what most Councils require of public space users.
This will cover you on any group meets that are organised. You just need to make sure all EA`s are members of a club.
Who to talk to : If the forum is privately owned then it needs to be the Centre manager.
With regards to public open spaces need to talk to Norwich council, I will PM the info or go to Active Norfolk website
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Thanks Clive. I will check it out when I get home today and will read this too. I am in to much of a hurry to read properly, just letting you know I am not ignoring it :)
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I dunno if its different here in wales but the people I have worked with want a minimum of £2million on the liability cover. Councils require £5mil.
We pay £350 and that covers 20 of us, though this year we're going to need a policy that covers more of us.
Thats with sportscoverdirect though I think its through their business side of things. Dont expect the PJ discount lol. It's easier to give them a call or email than try to find something on the website. They are an insurance company and they want your money lol.
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I regularly speak to one of the guys their so if I can swing you a discount or get something in place I will... after all every little helps
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naz i fink tesco have tht saying in copyright :P
and wow u lot are rebels :P
warrington dnt give 2 flicks of a cows arse about safety :P
me and louis was bocking in town while it was full comps said to us hey they look fun and the security guard wanted a go :P people just watch u even if ur just jumping or standing or walking warrimgton is brill :P we have very nice places to bock too :P oh but not aloud in or near shops XD there worried about gettin mud on the floor of all things :P
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oops slight brain fade make that wot locky says £5m
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Yep guys most PLI's are £5 mill now even for builders and model heli pilots :Claugh:
Nero I would never class you as mischevious :Claugh: just a little missunderstood :Cbiggrin:
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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I still can't get over the fact that after I left you then got banned ???
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Dk, why did u leave so early ?
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Dk, why did u leave so early ?
Two reasons
I had to make a phone call !? LOL
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warrington dnt give 2 flicks of a cows arse about safety
If you are serious about this Aiden, I'd get it in writing from the council that you already meet their H+S concerns.
It's one thing for someone to say it on the phone or face to face. It's another when someone else from the council are interrupting your meet telling you to stop because its dangerous.
Cover it all, it leaves them with nothing to hold against you.
Sorry for the thread hijack.
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£350 isnt too bad. This is something I am seriously going to look into. I will get a quote at some point when I am not busy.
Anything at all would help Naz :) Thanks
Aidan, bocking is fun and I am glad you are getting on well with security there, but to say you dont care about the safety aspect is silly, because it is very important. If you are careless you get banned and get a bad rep.
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I should have said this on the other topic ?
I got there early to do something and while bocking needed to get a drink. I could see the drinks just inside the door and the counter next to it so bocked streight towards the door when a thin olderly man jump out the door waved to me and point blank said " You can't come in here ! ".
It was on the road near the castle and I was just wondering had any EA's been ban for any small newsagents near there ? Has he did give me a chance to get near the door !
I bocked into a shop a couple of door up and got a drink. LOL
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This is the right thread for that kinda stuff.
As far as I know we are not banned from any news agents. But then, the EAs dont really go in them, in fact, we keep away from shops. We go on teh market and somebody usually De-bocks and goes to tescos. I dont see the point in going in shops with bocks.
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I find bocking easier than walking and was pasting the shops. The display was almost in arms reach ?
It ws the way he reacted so quickly made me think he'd met bockers before !
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Maybe he had, we are not the only ones DK.
At the mo I am feeling hugely out of my depth with this. I am not sure what steps to take.
This is where we are, and I want us to be keep a good reputation, be able to bock at many places and try and get back at the forum.
And I have ideas, and people have suggestions but there is just more than I can take in right now. If I am doing this alone then you are gonna have to bear with me, because I can only commit so much time and effort.
Now, I think the first step would be to contact the council. And I am even finding that daunting. I have no idea how I go about this, what I can suggest. I am way out of my depth but I want to do stuff. I just cant do it on my own.
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http://www.norwich.gov.uk/webapps/contact/contactus.asp
I'd fill in the form on there or even put something (recorded!) in the post and include photos of the forum and people on stilts.
http://www.norwich.gov.uk/webapps/atoz/service_page.asp?id=1500
There are contacts for the sports development team there. Dont address this to them but I would give them a call and discuss the situation. They are going to be more involved with indoor sports but with summer coming, outdoors is where bocking is going to be. This should interest them, however cardiff council have zero interest in developing bocking. Hopefully Norwich wont be so bad. Maybe even ask to meet with them or to meet with someone who job is better suited at dealing with this.
I wouldnt mention insurance unless they ask about it. Sure its great to be part of a group that is big enough to be considering group insurance but dont forget there could be many rogue bockers in the area who may also want to go bocking at the forum.
Mention Norwich was a strong contender for CB. Really emphasize the fact its the largest meet in the world, attracting visitors from ameirca specifically for the event, and that now because of this ban, it's unlikely CB will be at Norwich.
If you get nowhere, ask them to call me. I have much experience in shoving a stilt in a council officals arse. Hopefully they will be nice and understanding.
http://www.norwich.gov.uk/webapps/councillors/councillors.asp
Find out who is the local councillor for the area that covers the forum. Get them on it. IT is there job to represent you.
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Thank you so much Locky! I think I will write for sure and include some pics and fill in that form. Is it Ok to do both you think?
Clive sent me some great contacts, I think they are the same as on there :) but there are a couple more :) I hope Norwich will be supportive. The capital bocking thing is a very good point, along with what you said on Radiobock.
There appear to have 3 councilors for the area. But, although the forum is private. It has a lot to do with the council.
for now I am going to draft up some kinda letter
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May not be a great example but the whole area of cardiff bay where we go bocking is strictly speaking private. It's owned by Cardiff Harbour Authority, that are a branch of the council I guess. It's open access though, so we've kind of used that to our advantage.
It's not easy dealing with all of this, and even harder when you are on your own.
Where are the rest of the EA's!!!!!!
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Where are the rest of the EA's!!!!!!
Good question! And I think the forum is pretty similar in its position as the bay then..
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Right so i just got back from France to find you irresponsible lot have got us banned from the forum!! :P...disgraceful :). Anyways good luck on the letter writings Spud.
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You need to be careful Spud. There is a shopping complex in the bay which has its own security and they dont mind us walking through on stilts but anything more and they are on us quickly.
By the sounds of it, the shops are even closer in the forum so they may have a valid reason for you to not go there. Thats where you turn it on its head and say ok where can we go then? Any open parks and play fields are out of the question. You can bock on grass, but its often damp or wet which causes safety problems for us :)
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well i got to say that the bit we normally use is right on the edge of the place(if at the front),
and all the shops(cafe's) are on the inside.
and spud if i can help i will
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I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but my dads one of the people in charge of the property at Norwich Castle.. He told me on Sunday that they recieved a couple of complaints about people on stilts mucking around in the lift. I've told him that it was nothing but i think we could have some problems at the moat as well if we're not carefull,..
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Yep! I hear what you are saying trip! I don't know what got into us last week but we were not really on our best behavior. I mean, we were allowed to use that lift lol, and we have before, but alarms got set of this time and stuff like that.
Don't take Norwich for granted. It's the best place we have and I don't want to lose it. I am happy to work on keeping us a good rep and I am trying to sort things out from last weekend but I really wont go to the effort again if people cant be responsible...not helping me fix stuff is one thing i can deal with...but undoing the effort I put in will be a step to far..so please, from now on can we all try to be a little more responsible :)
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"Dont make me angry. You wont like me when I'm angry."
Spud unleashed...coming to theatres Summer 2009.
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Spud
If you want me to talk to the Sports dev guys at Norwich on your behalf happy to do so.
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"Dont make me angry. You wont like me when I'm angry."
Spud unleashed...coming to theatres Summer 2009.
Haha! LMAO! It's gonna happen :Cerr:
Spud
If you want me to talk to the Sports dev guys at Norwich on your behalf happy to do so.
I am not sure I am understanding this sports dev stuff. I mean, errm. Does it mean we will get places to bock, what catches would there be?
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just wondering... what do you define as a 'good place to bock'? lots of flat areas? obstacles? a mixture of both? people to watch and be wowed?
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All of the above plus
Good places to eat
Good pub
Good first aid (very near a hospital for me) :Claugh:
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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All of the above plus
Good places to eat
Good pub
Good first aid (very near a hospital for me) :Claugh:
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
Krispie Kremes!!! Dam i wish we had them in norwich....best we have is good ol wheatgrass shots... xD
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Kaz, good places are large, usually concrete areas, flatter the better, small flights of stairs are popular and also anything you can jump off/on.
Can we try and keep this thread on topic lol. There is so much info I am gonna need to refere back to I dont wanna have to struggle to find it...
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Sorry Spud, maybe you should impose fines for bad behaviour?
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Sorry, last off-topic post.
Why not come to belford(where i live)... sounds good....
Lots of flat areas/things to jump onto/off of, got 2 pubs, a skate park, some nice empty roads for running around on... it's ideal really...
Even got an empty concrete farm track that you can go for runs up :D
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Sorry, last off-topic post.
Why not come to belford(where i live)... sounds good....
Lots of flat areas/things to jump onto/off of, got 2 pubs, a skate park, some nice empty roads for running around on... it's ideal really...
Even got an empty concrete farm track that you can go for runs up :D
:banghead: would be great if you could put it somewhere in east anglia with good transport links.
Sorry Spud, maybe you should impose fines for bad behaviour?
LOL, I am sorry, I am having a really stressy day and this is like not helping. I feel like I am fighting a losing battle on my own :( oh well
sorry I am not too happy...
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Spudy when we next have a meet i think we should go to the UEA and Eaton park.. I think both locations are better than the forum anyway.. The forum is just a large flat area, no steps or many things to jump over.. If we all meet where the bus drops you off at the UEA sports park i'll show everyone some better places to bock.. :Cyes:
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Sure trip! I think norwich has many more places to offer. I just think we found some good spots and felt no need to look elsewhere, no we have an excuse. Fancy a mini-meet sometime? There is a new guy who is hoping to get some bocks at the UEA..
Thanks fro saying it was nothing to the moat guys btw :)
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Yep, Lets organise something, it'll be good to check out a few other places anyway with the better weather on its way!! :Cwink: Is OK my dads a bit like me.. Full of it LOL, he knows how to handle a few old cronies :Ctwitcy:
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I also agree!! although would be better at the weekend!??
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I also agree!! although would be better at the weekend!??
Who suggested any different :P If you wanna talk about when to do this meet then its kinda what the upcoming meet thread is for :thumbs:
http://www.projumpforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2949.0
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sounds good
i may have a drive up as well
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Hi,
I am thinking about forming a committee for EA bockers. I am looking for about 3 people so that we can discuss and work on getting some of this stuff sorted. Anybody interested?
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Me me me! Ooh pick me! MEEEE SPUD MEEEE! PICK ME!
Wait.
I'm not an EA.
Nevermind.
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You can pick me too if you want :P
I can be an honorary member :D
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I'll give you some back up and support if you need it Spud... I'm quiet good at dealing with authorities and people. Its not fair that your the only EA trying to do something, together we will be strong!! Ha ha :Ctwitcy: As long as you don't mind the older generation getting involved .. the EA's are a team and there's some big personalities amoungst us.. Lets get it together and get what we want, its so easy if we work together Spudy.. :Cyes:
" Jeeez i just read that back.. i sound like bloody Winston Churchill or something!"
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great to see someone step up :)
come on the rest of the EA's where are you all!!
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Thank you so much Trip! I think we need the older generation involved :P Even if you only look and not act old :P People are very quick to judge kids ;)
But hell yeah, come on guys! We can do it. We are a great group and right now we need to pull together a push for some stuff. We can do it :)
And thanks Naz :)
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Hang on.... what do ya mean spudy i look old "Your havin a laugh" .. :Ctongue:
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:Ctongue: you don't look 15, thats all I'm saying :Ctongue:
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Thank you so much Trip! I think we need the older generation involved :P Even if you only look and not act old :P
I've been telling him this for ages but he doesn't believe me!!
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Oh no i've got two of them ganging up on me.. I thought i was OK for 40!! i mean come on... I know i may be a little folically challenged but i can still do the bis, if you know what i mean!!! :Cyes:
--------------- That side kick is an absolute legend for someone my age
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haha!
Just teasing :Cwink:
and you're lucky Becky isnt online!
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Yer i know ..
haha!
Just teasing :Cwink:
and you're lucky Becky isnt online!
Yer i know.. i better qwit while i'm ahead, but even though Spud has refered to me as old... I still think we should support our leader. :Cnotworthy:
I'm sure my old mate Carl will defend me!!
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You can pick me too if you want :P
I can be an honorary member :D
I totally missed that! Your in! Shall I make you a sig :Ctwitcy:
Sprog! I can pick you too if you want :P just coz out logo's kick :P
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Cool.... I vote Sprog in even though he's not an EA.. LOL He's the bock doc, hes got an opinion and he's not afraid to use it.. OK sprog your in... You now have to have your arse branded with a red hot poker, EA... Welcome dude
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I made him a very special sig if he wants it :Cbiggrin:
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ha, seems trip is getting some stick....
tis funny, because as i remember 2 year ago
when all this stilt lark really started to get moving
there was no sign of any 15 year olds :Ctongue: hmnnnn
it was mainly 20's and above.....
and trip, you only 40 lol ? ? ? ?, :Cno: you young bugger...
lets see if they are still bocking when they get to our age
haha, or will the lower pain barrier stop em.... :Cyes:
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Trip knows we love him really ;) Sorry to be a party pooper but here I go.
This is a summary of all the information I have received over the last few day and a kinda action plan.
Step 1) Let’s try to get ourselves unbanned from the forum.
I think the first thing we should do is speak to somebody high up at the forum. I am not expecting this to work but I think it is worth a try. We have nothing to lose by doing this.
There is a contact form on the Forum’s website:
http://www.theforumnorwich.co.uk/contact-us.htm
I am not sure if this is the best way. Does anybody have any contacts with somebody higher up so we can skip some people lower down?
One of the problems with the forum is that if we did hurt somebody they would be left liable if proven to be negligent in its actions and behaviours. I think it is a fair reason not to let us bock there so turning this one around might be tricky unless we can educate and prove that we are safe. We also have no public liability insurance.
Step 2) Write to the Local council.
I am not sure if they could get the forum back for us but what locky said was very true. We bock at the Forum because it is a large open space that we feel is safe for bocking. We don’t bock there if it is very busy and we do around for people. I think we could improve safety at meets, make it slightly more formal, have a process noted down so we can kinda prove it but at the mo we are doing ok. We could mention that capital bocking was going to be in Norwich and that because of this ban it has been moved elsewhere.
Back to the council, we bock at the forum because we think it is safe and we are always thinking of safety and are aware of people around us. If we were to bock around the market, or anywhere down that road it would be irresponsible and dangerous. So if we can’t now bock safely at the forum, we are only left with less safe and ideal places. We should ask for a safe area to bock and outline what kind of spaces are good for bocking. A grass field wont be very useful to us.
One thing to note is to get support from councils we might be required to have PLI of 5million.
Step 3) Try and get some support from sports development people in Norwich.
Bocking is an interesting sport, and I think that the Norwich parkour guys have some support. If we did have this kind of support I think it would do wonders for our reputation and could benefit us greatly. If they support us then we would for sure have to have some spaces to do this and maybe even gyms. There are very few gyms that will take us around here, there are very few good bocking places so we might be able to get some help.
But, to get support from other organisations we need to have some kind of structure as a club/group. Everybody will have to be covered by PLI too. At the moment we can use the YBBs as an example, and say this is what we are working towards. But to say that we need to take steps in the right direction.
Insurance and club structure.
If you have read my rather long essay then you will see that both insurance and structure are mentioned a lot. It is key in any of the above stuff really. Without it we are leaving other people liable for our actions and we will not be able to get any council support without it. There are also a few events we have been asked to attend which we wont be able to do without PLI. Most people I have spoken to about PLI have been supportive of the idea.
But, in order to get club insurance we need some kind of structure as a club. That will need to include a small committee of 3 or 4 people and a formal list of group members. To get insurance we will need to provide membership details and the list of members. It will also mean we will need to have some kind of annual subscription to cover the cost of the PLI.
Last thing I am going to say is about safety at meets. We are fairly good about this already but in order to prove this, prove we are responsible enough to bock in public areas we should have a safety brief and a couple of rules. I mean, we do most of the stuff already whether we know it or not. Things like watching out for pedestrians getting too close to people doing tricks, making sure if an area gets too crowded we move away ect.
All this is totally doable, alone it is a huge task. But if everybody does a small amount it can happen. Trip has already stepped up to help. Hopefully people can see the reasons we need to begin getting some structure and organisation and will offer to help out.
And sorry, none of the above info is really my own. It is just all the info I have got over the last few days, just collated.
I will look at getting quotes for PLI and writing a letter soon.
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Back to the council, we bock at the forum because we think it is safe and we are always thinking of safety and are aware of people around us. If we were to bock around the market, or anywhere down that road it would be irresponsible and dangerous.
You've put a lot of thought into it.
But I'd word the a bit differently has is sound like.
If we can't do it there, we'll do it here ! :Cmad:
Don't point out the negatives say somthing more like
"We are reponsible people and believe the Fourm offers us a nice setting where both we and the public can be aware of one another. We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems. " :Csmile:
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Back to the council, we bock at the forum because we think it is safe and we are always thinking of safety and are aware of people around us. If we were to bock around the market, or anywhere down that road it would be irresponsible and dangerous.
You've put a lot of thought into it.
But I'd worded this a bit differently has is sound like.
If we can't do it there, we'll do it here ! :Cmad:
Don't point out the negatives say somthing more like
"We are reponsible people and believe the Fourm offers us a nice setting where both we and the public can be aware of one another. We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems. " :Csmile:
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"We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems."
I wouldnt say that.
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"We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems."
I wouldnt say that.
It sould have said ABOUT the .... ?
The piont I was making is play down the negatives, it a bit silly stomping your hoof.
Much better playing the mind games and maybe they'll forget them !?
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There's a time and place for games but I think this isn't one of them, I think the councils are pretty wise to these sort of things... You need to choose your words wisely or it could ruin it for everyone.
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Honestly DK. I can only bite my tongue for so long.
Back to the council, we bock at the forum because we think it is safe and we are always thinking of safety and are aware of people around us. If we were to bock around the market, or anywhere down that road it would be irresponsible and dangerous.
You've put a lot of thought into it.
Yeah, I have, It took me well over an hour to collate and make sense of all of the info I have been given over the last few days.
But I'd word the a bit differently has is sound like.
If we can't do it there, we'll do it here ! :Cmad:
Well DK, thats kinda the point. One of the key points in the argument. If we can't bock at the forum where we feel is safe then the options are that a new location is found or we bock somewhere less safe. The point is, the EAs are here to stay and it needs to be dealt with.
Don't point out the negatives say somthing more like
"We are reponsible people and believe the Fourm offers us a nice setting where both we and the public can be aware of one another. We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems. " :Csmile:
Now here is where I say are you out of your mind! We are responsible, mostly. It's a good place. But to say we even walk through the market is insane. Why does that need to be said. It is a hugely busy area, we pass through on the way to the forum to grab lunch. You make it sounds like we are a risk to people when you say that and honestly! Its nuts!
"We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems."
Stupid! We might walk around the market yes, but if I received that I would be thinking "s**t! we need to ban these people from the market before they hurt somebody" not "oh, they don't hurt anybody when they are at the market I am sure they will be fine" NUTS! At the end of the day, you never know when an accident might happen. So however much you try to stop it walking through busy areas is more of a risk than in empty spaces (more people to hit) so come on! Use your noggin!
It sould have said ABOUT the .... ?
The piont I was making is play down the negatives, it a bit silly stomping your hoof.
Much better playing the mind games and maybe they'll forget them !?
ABOUT the what?
and play down the negatives? the negatives of us not being able to bock in many places now. Pfft. What is the point in writing if you are just going to say how wonderful we are and not talking about issues we have.
I know, lets play mind games. That will really p**s them off.
"We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems."
I wouldnt say that.
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There's a time and place for games but I think this isn't one of them, I think the councils are pretty wise to these sort of things... You need to choose your words wisely or it could ruin it for everyone.
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WHOA! Calm down Spudacus. DK is on your side, he's just not very good at English (no offense DK). When he said play mind games I think he actually meant you have to learn to play 'the game'. Their game. Meaning work out the best way to word things in order to get them on your side. There's a lot of red tape in these situations and you have to find a way to duck under it or get around it, not cut through it. He was concerned that a letter stating "let us bock here or we'll bock somewhere less safe" sounded like a threat. Which would not be playing the game, as they won't repond kindly to threats.
Obviously we feel strongly about the situation, and accordingly, the letter needs to portray the importance of the issue. But the wording has to make them want to help us, not make them feel like you're forcing them to... because you can't. Most of what you said was very well put. I'm not saying it wasn't. And DK clearly doesn't have a problem with what you're saying. He's on your side. He was just trying to make you aware that in such situations it's best to 'play the game' and so he was trying to help you out with the wording... which was obviously a mistake considering his less than impressive grammatical prowess (seriously DK - no offense ^_^) but his heart was in the right place. He actually began his post with a compliment.
Obviously him pointing out that you already walk through the crowd (not croud) of the market is a bad idea as well. You shouldn't bring up concerns that they're not aware of (which I believe is what he meant by "don't bring up negatives". I doubt he meant avoid the issues, as that would negate the purpose of writing to them at all - which is why I feel you got mad at him on that point). But his intentions were good, so no need to call him stupid or out of his mind. He was trying to make the point (to the reader) that you frequently make your way through far more crowded areas than the forum without any problems, so it's certainly safe to be there (the forum). He's really making the same points as you, just not very eloquently. It might be better to use crowded London as the example rather than another place they have to worry about (because as you said, this result in them thinking "uh oh, we need to ban these people from the market" as well).
Where he said "ABOUT the..." he was merely changing his wording from "walk around the market" to "walk about the market." Clearly he thought they might infer 'around' as meaning 'outside.' I know that was odd of him, and not really an issue - I'm just clarifying for you since you asked him. You're right in saying this point shouldn't be included in the letter.
Anyway, I'm not trying to pick an arguement with you. Hopefully when you read this you'll note that I haven't really even given my own opinion, I'm merely trying to clarify what DK was trying to say. I just feel you reacted a little harshly towards someone who was only trying to help... your posts did imply that you wanted help after all.
DK - Sorry if you didn't want me to stick up for you. I'm sure you could do it yourself and I know it's a bit weird considering I don't actually know any of you. And sorry if I completely misinterpreted what you said. But I think I'm right in assuming the others misunderstood you... which incurred the wroth of Spud.
Spud - I admire what you're doing. I hope it works out for you all.
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DK - Sorry if you didn't want me to stick up for you. I'm sure you could do it yourself and I know it's a bit weird considering I don't actually know any of you. And sorry if I completely misinterpreted what you said. But I think I'm right in assuming the others misunderstood you... which incurred the wroth of Spud.
Neo you may not have known me long but you've hit the nail on the head. I have a writing problem I don't mind people knowing it maybe they'd understand me better if they did ?
You took the time to work out what I was trying to put across thanks for filling in the blanks :)
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No worries. ^_^
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well is the council against us?
as far as i know they are not.
as far as im guessing spud is doing this as it is them who could change the forums minds about banning us
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I'm going to step in here, because I've been through this with DK many many times...
DK, you know you have a problem with your spelling / grammar, so you really need to take a step back, write what you have to, read and re-read it before posting, as I've had emails and pm's from you which are almost perfect so I know you can do it.
The problem is when something sensitive is discussed, then anything written that can be interpreted wrong is bound to stir things up. It wasn’t just Spud who “mis-read” it but a few of us so DK please take better care when posting.
No poster is perfect, the majority of us make typo errors when we are writing but sometimes you have to take more care when posting, esp on important topics such as this one.
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Second what Webby says, goes for all of us. A post is not a private document so please take care with what you write at all times.
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Spud, your steps system is very good, only thing I can say on it is don't jump straight to the top. Start at the bottom and work your way up, it will show you are dedicated and believe in your ideas :)
Honestly DK. I can only bite my tongue for so long.
Back to the council, we bock at the forum because we think it is safe and we are always thinking of safety and are aware of people around us. If we were to bock around the market, or anywhere down that road it would be irresponsible and dangerous.
You've put a lot of thought into it.
Yeah, I have, It took me well over an hour to collate and make sense of all of the info I have been given over the last few days.
But I'd word the a bit differently has is sound like.
If we can't do it there, we'll do it here ! :Cmad:
Well DK, thats kinda the point. One of the key points in the argument. If we can't bock at the forum where we feel is safe then the options are that a new location is found or we bock somewhere less safe. The point is, the EAs are here to stay and it needs to be dealt with.
Don't point out the negatives say somthing more like
"We are reponsible people and believe the Fourm offers us a nice setting where both we and the public can be aware of one another. We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems. " :Csmile:
Now here is where I say are you out of your mind! We are responsible, mostly. It's a good place. But to say we even walk through the market is insane. Why does that need to be said. It is a hugely busy area, we pass through on the way to the forum to grab lunch. You make it sounds like we are a risk to people when you say that and honestly! Its nuts!
"We walk around the crouded market and near by streets without any problems."
Stupid! We might walk around the market yes, but if I received that I would be thinking "s**t! we need to ban these people from the market before they hurt somebody" not "oh, they don't hurt anybody when they are at the market I am sure they will be fine" NUTS! At the end of the day, you never know when an accident might happen. So however much you try to stop it walking through busy areas is more of a risk than in empty spaces (more people to hit) so come on! Use your noggin!
It sould have said ABOUT the .... ?
The piont I was making is play down the negatives, it a bit silly stomping your hoof.
Much better playing the mind games and maybe they'll forget them !?
ABOUT the what?
and play down the negatives? the negatives of us not being able to bock in many places now. Pfft. What is the point in writing if you are just going to say how wonderful we are and not talking about issues we have.
I know, lets play mind games. That will really p**s them off.
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I'm going to step in here, because I've been through this with DK many many times...
DK, you know you have a problem with your spelling / grammar, so you really need to take a step back, write what you have to, read and re-read it before posting, as I've had emails and pm's from you which are almost perfect so I know you can do it.
The problem is when something sensitive is discussed, then anything written that can be interpreted wrong is bound to stir things up. It wasn’t just Spud who “mis-read” it but a few of us so DK please take better care when posting.
No poster is perfect, the majority of us make typo errors when we are writing but sometimes you have to take more care when posting, esp on important topics such as this one.
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im with u spud 100% all the way
i got us in this mess cos of me flipping in the forum. So what ever i can do to help us i will!
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i got us in this mess cos of me flipping in the forum. So what ever i can do to help us i will!
DAMN YOU CARL GREEN. DAMN YOOOOOU!
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im with u spud 100% all the way
i got us in this mess cos of me flipping in the forum. So what ever i can do to help us i will!
Thank you so so much carl! :Cbiggrin:
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