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Members Lounge => General Bocking Chat => Topic started by: webmaster on November 16, 2010, 12:56:46 AM
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Just using this post as a sound bite so please be frank and honest with me :D
We've been in talks with SpeedJumper to manufacturer their Professional and Quantum models for Pro-Jump. They come with a hefty price tag of about £1050 for the Professional model and £799 for the Quantum model. The reason for this is we have always wanted our customers to have the choice and this is maybe the only way at the moment for these stilts to be sold in the UK.
Bare in mind the following parts will be the same as the current Pro-Jump Exo Range: Cuffs, Springs, Rubber Feet, Quick Release clamp, bindings (either the ones on the Exo Pro or any of our new ones). On the quantum the footplates are also likely to be the same.
The parts that differ is the actual frame, its made using high grade aluminium and with great precision and manufactured in Germany which adds to the high cost. The finish as some have commented is almost like a work of art!
Considering we have been selling PowerSkips for the past 3 years, I think the UK market is still not ready to spend an extortionate amount on stilts and its only very few professional or extremely dedicated users that will pay over the odds for a pair...
So the questions are as follows:
1. Do you think there is a market for these stilts in the UK?
2. Do you think the price tag is justified considering many of the parts are shared with the Pro-Jump Exo Range?
3. Would you personally buy one of these stilts realistically within the next 6 months? (take into account your budget, we would all like to buy a sports car but that does not mean we will actually go out and buy one)
4. Are you a potential buyer of one of these stilts within the next 6 weeks, and would you consider putting a deposit down for one?
That's all I think, lets discuss :)
*Pic attached of a Professional in Gold, prices above are for the aluminium silver model, pic for ref only.
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After researching these, watching videos, reading peoples takes on this model. The frame, the springs, the adjustable footplate, ect.
I would purchase these if available for that price.
I'd say honestly I'd be able to make a purchase of that level in a 1-3 months of savings. Maybe sooner!
I live state side but have a great friend who just moved to Hull.
I've always liked this quote about the SJ brand
"While on the subject of Speedjumper, Lars, one of the guys working with the company, built his own unique pair of Speedjumper Professionals. As I said to him, "that's not a pair of stilts, it's a work of art!" Indeed it is because it defies the imagination. And when he jumped on them you just freak out in total awe! On the Saturday, the public were given a show of what all the jumpers could do and of course they were delighted and gave plenty of applause. But when Lars arrived on his hand built SJ Pro's and began jumping the crowd went insane. It was just as though they were watching a fireworks display!
Ok, so we ALL wanted to know how much a pair like this would cost but Lars refused to price them because as far as he is concerned his babies are unique and he wants it to stay that way. I took plenty of photos of Lars' stilts however, I'm not sure whether I will be allowed to post them. I will ask Speedjumper and if I get the green light you will see why these stilts are unlike anything any of you have yet seen. "
Or this one.
"Yeh was a amazing weekend and the highlight for me was being able to test out speedjumper proffessional, what an amazing piece of equipment. I currenty bock on powerskip 640s but have used most brands and am
Lucky enough to get pretty good height out of most
Stilts, I can safely say nothing comes close to the speedjumper pros the height I was getting was incredible, flipping was effortless and the feeling was amazing, hopefully some videos / pics will turn up of me testing them So you can see the power in them.
Once again a big Thanks to hoff riser for making the weekend what it was and look forward to seeing you all again soon"
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There is a market there are some very very keen stilters in the UK that I'm absolutely sure would buy them stilts especially for that price!
The parts as you say are shared with the Pro-jumps but them stilts also have quite a few different things with them also the nice paint job finish and stuff I think justifies the price overall, personally I wouldn't buy them though simply because of that price they wouldn't get used to there full potential :P
And in 6 months on my salary that's impossible but I would say I am a very very very small percentage of the bockers in the whole of the UK I think with the right advertising to the right people these stilts would be sold out before Christmas.
Id love to have a pair XD
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For that Prices of the Quantum there are footplates made in germany without theses bad items are discussed.
They are shorter in width and made of 5mm best Aluminium. Also adjustable over a wide range to fit your shoes perfectly.
And even a few parts will used from china...there is no better bearing construction in the world in the moment. That's what all Tester notice as ...they are sooo silent. All these Detaills lead to uncomparable Jumpers. e.g. the Quantum is about 3565g with a 60th spring. There is no lighter stilt of the world. But less weight is not the only important. Less weight with a solid and longlasting construction is it. And exactly this is what we produced.
We are producing in Germany, and the fact is...honest work should be payed well. I do not will produce in China or Korea, even if the Work there will be unbeatable cheap.
Support Speedjumper! Give Quality a chance! ;-)
We calculate very short, because I know that most customer are not rich and have to care there income. And if the amount of SJ's will be increase, I will honestly try to decrease the costs and so the Prices.
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I forget to mention. As you see at the Pic: The Hoof for the Speedjumper Professional is made from solid material. Only for the Quantum we will use the cheep feet from China to reach a good Enduserprice. But customers can mod a quantum with the Profs Hoof later, or the Profs Footplate if they want. All these parts are constructed to be compatible.
The Speedjumper Professional is the Jumper with the most spring range of all Jumpers actually produced. The Quantum is a litlle bit less but even made for extrem performance.
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hey kind of related.. but more about more springs really
me and DC met guy in town who had custom carbon pollimer springs built by an desgin student freind of his and the hight was absolutely insane maybe these could be the future of stilts combined with the frames pictured above
sorry for the off subject reply but thought i'd mention it anyway :D
cheers.
parlby.
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They sure look good but the answers to your questions I think are bourn out in the pages of this forum.
Q1. NO there is not a significant market in this country. The majority of users are uni population age. Thus no cash. How many times do we see comments about cant afford to travel to meets, no car, e.t.c. The older users with bigger incomes have other cash drains and probably less time to play anyway.
Q2. NO the price is not acceptable considering the common parts. 400 - 500% more!!!!! Are the stilts 400 - 500% better???? This is the realm of diminishing returns, if it costs that much more to build something only a little better then it's not worth it!
Q3. NO. Can't justify the cost. See above!
Q4. NO, see above.
I will be buying a set of exo pro's hopefully in the New Year. As the improvement is within the cost and they are reasonable priced.
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To be honest I am more than willing to pay the price if what Lothar says is true, the weight, the quality it all sounds fantastic and would love to get my hands on these asap :)
However I have just noticed what Naz wrote about most of the parts being Pro-Jump :S if all the parts where made with great precision, and the up most care I would buy them, and if the frame and springs are as good as said, but if they are just Pro-Jumps with an even lighter or better built frame there is no market,
DC
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1. Do you think there is a market for these stilts in the UK?
Yes there will always be elitists and those who must have "the best and most expensive" item on the market, they will be a small minority i believe but they are out there
2. Do you think the price tag is justified considering many of the parts are shared with the Pro-Jump Exo Range?
Nooooooot at all, basically your saying that the extra £600 is made up by 3 pieces of frame, i dont care if they are made by magical pixies and gravity defying unicorns thats just daylight robbery
3. Would you personally buy one of these stilts realistically within the next 6 months? I cant see it, they would have to be Very very very performance enhancing for me to consider throwing that sort of money at them
4. Are you a potential buyer of one of these stilts within the next 6 weeks, and would you consider putting a deposit down for one?
Nope i dont think so
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well naz iv put these on my xmas list but dont hold much luck on getting them ,but who knows :Cbiggrin:
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1. Do you think there is a market for these stilts in the UK?
Yes i am one of the lucky people who got to test these stilts in France and they completely blew me away. I Bock once / twice a week and have used 7s pjs powerisers and currently use Powerskip 640s and bocking had never felt so effortless. I am sure once other users get a feel of these theyd want to upgrade as well. I think this is a pair of stilts that people might think little of until they have tried them as i wasnt expecting them to be as good as they were.
2. Do you think the price tag is justified considering many of the parts are shared with the Pro-Jump Exo Range?
again yes i have tried both models and i really like the feel of the quantums and pros and ive also used the Exos and as Lothar explained he wanted to keep spare parts prices to a minimum hence the big one off payment. I have spent a hell of a lot on expensive powerskip parts and this would save me money in the long run. £325 everytime a spring snaps = not cool.
3. Would you personally buy one of these stilts realistically within the next 6 months? (take into account your budget, we would all like to buy a sports car but that does not mean we will actually go out and buy one)
100% yes have always said i would since returning from france.
4. Are you a potential buyer of one of these stilts within the next 6 weeks, and would you consider putting a deposit down for one?
Yes id put a deposit down right now. where do i pay!!!!! :P
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1. Do you think there is a market for these stilts in the UK?
Yes i do think there is a market, if people use skips, then people will use these.
2. Do you think the price tag is justified considering many of the parts are shared with the Pro-Jump Exo Range?
As far as I know, no. I've used the exo range for a few months now, and I was so blown away with these stilts that I cant see the SJ's being that much better for the price. I would rather stay with the Exo range and maintain them as they falter.
3. Would you personally buy one of these stilts realistically within the next 6 months? (take into account your budget, we would all like to buy a sports car but that does not mean we will actually go out and buy one)
No, I wouldn't really be able to afford it, being a university student supporting myself. even if i could afford it, I dont know if i would indulge in a pair of them, I've really been impressed with the Exo range and would stick with those.
4. Are you a potential buyer of one of these stilts within the next 6 weeks, and would you consider putting a deposit down for one?
Not a chance
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I believe about this time last year I posted that , amongst other things, I thought there was a place for a new pair of 'premium ' stilts.
I came within a wisker of buying powerskips recently. The reason I didnt? 1st the 720 springs that Id need brake very easily, I heard Clive was having alot of problems with the hooves and then, whilst I had a delay working out money transfer stuff, about the SJ's.
I heard nothing but stella reports of them. But then I heard they were mostly Pro Jump parts. So I opted to go for a pair of eXo's. But this could be 'just for the moment'. Im liking these, if in the spring I see evidence that SJ's are worth it, I could well buy. S yes I could be a buyer in 6 months, but not 6 weeks.
How big the market? Dunno. There is 1 but it will remain small. So professionals or people in work but with small commitments might well splash out.
Are they worth the mark up? That is up to the individual. But , as has been noted, cutting away all the common SJ and eXo parts means a very heavy price tag for some, admittedly high quality, aluminium. But if they are comming in at about 3.6Kg that is 2 less than eXo's and a wapping 5 less than 7's X rex's.
But what I am most interested in is moving footplates. Do these have them? If not then I suggest an oppertunity missed...Id be really quite keen then. I also think its some thing PJ should be looking into ( if they have not or are not already).
Rite Im off to have my afternoon nap now
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There is a market for these, just not a very big one.
I'd buy a pair, always wanted to get a pair directly from lothar but that meant driving out there one weekend but it was always on the cards.
I agree with Paul that people need to try these and thus far in the UK almost nobody knows anything about the speedjumper, let alone been on them.
That said, I think the majority of bockers are youngsters and really only those with jobs or with parents who have money to burn are really going to consider purchasing these, regardless of their great performance.
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Excuse the typo's on mobile, my only issue is I had more interest in Powerskips before we started selling them, invested in a lot of models only to be stuck with the stock for a very long time, don't get me wrong the frame quality & mechanism on these are fantastic the wording was deliberate as that's the reason many give as the reason why they would not buy the sj version which is justified too.
Locky. U didn't answer all the questions though, are u more likely to drive down to Lothar or buy a Projump branded one? Also how soon were u looking at?
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sorry mum!
1. Do you think there is a market for these stilts in the UK?
Yes, but not a large one at all
2. Do you think the price tag is justified considering many of the parts are shared with the Pro-Jump Exo Range?
No but some people would pay for it. I feel the same way about skips but their lack of warranty says alot about their faith in their product. Would the speedjumpers offer a warranty?
3. Would you personally buy one of these stilts realistically within the next 6 months? (take into account your budget, we would all like to buy a sports car but that does not mean we will actually go out and buy one)
Yes, I planned on getting a pair by April/May 2011 anyway.
4. Are you a potential buyer of one of these stilts within the next 6 weeks, and would you consider putting a deposit down for one?
Possibly. I dont really want a pair before spring time but I have no problem putting down a deposit for one.
5. Are you an idiot?
Yes.
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So do I have this right only idiots would buy them...... :p
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I agree with Locky that most people wont have heard of or been on the SJ's. I've seen videos of them on facebook and they are impressive. I'm getting work on my stils and it isn't bad pay, but I can't see the price meeting the improvement. For what i get on the exos, id want twice that on the SJ's. I'm not about to pay £800 for a pair of stlts that MAY get me an extra foot of height. I'd wanna be getting 10ft from 90KG springs for that price difference.
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Naz, I agree with Locky about warranty.
I was told by Lothar that Germany has a 2 year warranty system, which sound amazing, if this is available in the UK I would be more willing to pay out more for a decent set
DC
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Looking at this from a purely what you get extra point of veiw I tried to break it down
Now not allowing for any spare parts you get after a pair of EXO Pro's the sums are
EXO Pro £209
SJ £1050 for the Professional
That leaves just over £800 to account for
The fastening methoud for the cuffs looks the same as on the EXO (Sorry if I am wrong)
So what you are getting for your money is
2 Machined frames (very nicely designed and machined) made from one of the better alloys HE30 or better
2 Support brackets (Bit under the foot to the spring)
2 Sets of footplates (very nice ones)
2 brackets (on the springs but they do look the same as EXO's)
Now you could probably have that lot machined up at a local shop cheeper if you were having a dozen or so done but they have got to make a profit
I personally wouldn't buy them at that price as I think that EXO's are a good enough product for my skills :Claugh: and they would be a vanity buy for me
And after all I would make my own custom set as I have all the machinery I need to do so and could then personalise them and they would be unique :Cbiggrin:
I think that for a few people they would be worth the price as their skills would justify the cost (What price performance)
So in summary
Would I buy them --No
Do I think they would sell-- Yes in very limited quantities to an elite few like Paul, Greg, Carl, Locky etc
So yes it would be nice to see them over here and would make the range complete as Skip 720's really don't work
And finally they do look pretty don't they :Claugh:
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
Ps I bet the warranty dosen't cover springs :Claugh:
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I see mention of the Exos and these having the same hooves. Though looking at the pictures from your shop, and of the SJ themselves they look very different to me.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2njk7ex.jpg)
Now looking at that. It's a solid thick piece of aluminum. The exos pictured in the shop use just rubber hooves.
Now here's a glance at a couple portions of the frame.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2rzciva.jpg)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2db16pf.jpg)
Check out those bolts. From what was explained to me. You just need one tool to adjust them.
I dunno I've been following this brand since late 2008. Even when flying locust copied the model thats currently the olympics or the exos from a picture of speedjumper stilts. That they posted in an ancient thread about them.
From what I've read, from people I've talked with thats actually used them. They sound great. It'd be awful to see a region of bockers not be able to have access to them like the states.
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Heres the few images i have of me using them these were the Quantums which were a fair bit out of my weight range heres the results. Unfortunatly i didnt get any pictures of me on the Pros ( which were for my weight range ) but heres a rough look at the stilts! and the power behind them.
As everyone who was their will explain their was a moment wen i was bouncing down the hall on the pros and had most of the hall staring at the incredible height i was getting ive only had a quick go on the Exos so cant really give a detailed comparison at the moment but im a big fan of these stilts.
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/Paul-Self/speedjumper.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/Paul-Self/speedjumper3.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/Paul-Self/speedjumper4.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/Paul-Self/speedjumper5.jpg)
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these are awsome
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This may not be relevant and perhaps its already been done here but we seem to be talking about stuff where not many people have the answers.
Lothar made these babies and priced them appropriately, even if you may not agree with that. The performance result was much better than any stilt. What I would like to see is a nice clean HD video of one person jumping on flyinglocust stilts and then the same person jumping on the SJ. No tricks, no flips, just jumping on the spot and for both videos to be shot at the same location with a camera on a tripod.
I know this might be asking the impossible but without actually strapping on a pair of SJ, this for me is the next best thing to see if they do as they say.
Personally, for a grand, I was willing to go with Lothars word and just get them. But we're talking about having a uk market for these things.
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I'M ALIVE :Cbiggrin:
And this is probably the only post I shall make before the end of the year. Locky asked me about this on facebook so thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.
1. Do you think there is a market for these stilts in the UK?
Definately, it would be incredibly small but it's there. Personally I wouldn't shell out the money for them as I simply wouldn't be able to afford to, but I can see a few people doing so.
2. Do you think the price tag is justified considering many of the parts are shared with the Pro-Jump Exo Range?
No, it's insane. There's been a rise in costs over the entire market but that kind of jump is madness. I'd be interested in seeing a definitive list of every part in each model, and which parts are the same and compatible. I'm kind of wondering if it would be cheaper to buy a pair of Pro-Jump Exos, import the spare parts that are needed for the SJ's, and then build them yourself.
3. Would you personally buy one of these stilts realistically within the next 6 months? (take into account your budget, we would all like to buy a sports car but that does not mean we will actually go out and buy one)
No. I have other priorities money-wise (and sadly time wise at the moment too), and quite frankly my current stilts are holding up fine and I have enough spare parts to last me another few years yet.
4. Are you a potential buyer of one of these stilts within the next 6 weeks, and would you consider putting a deposit down for one?
See above.
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The situation is this, Lothar has made a precision engineered frame, and in my opinion, just looking at the parts that make up the frame you can tell without a doubt that they are extremely high quality - he is also a perfectionist so I know everything will work superbly.
Lothar is willing to come to England to set up a meet so something that Locky is suggesting is a possibility. A very telling test is if the same springs are used in both frames too to see how much difference the SpeedJumper frame would make to performance as I think there probably would just be minimal height difference.
I'm all behind bringing these stilts to the UK but my issue simply is that at the moment I know of only 4 people who will be willing to pay that sort of money of these stilts and if Powerskip sales are anything to go by then not many more will be sold. I know these can sideline Powerskips without a doubt and take their market share but in the UK that share is not that great anyway - the propose of this thread is to identify if there is more UK users willing to put their hands in their pockets so if there is come out the woodworks please :D
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I see mention of the Exos and these having the same hooves. Though looking at the pictures from your shop, and of the SJ themselves they look very different to me.
Now looking at that. It's a solid thick piece of aluminum. The exos pictured in the shop use just rubber hooves.
There were two models of hooves tested on the Exos, the all rubber Mk.3 AND the similar to SJs Mk.2
I'm sure you'll see pictures, but the Mk.3's came out on top for everyone I think, and lasted for longer than 20 hours for me. I'll try and find the pictures on what hapened to my Mk.2 hoof.
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This is really heresay but suppose Naz, such a test took place and the results of the 2 brands being directly compared were not that overwhelming...what would be the selling point of the speedjumpers :/
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Ok its like this and I hate saying this...
But take the PowerSkip and compare it to the Original Pro-Jump, at the time we started selling them the unique selling point for customers was the spring, but over the last two years the spring height you would get from both is similar and the durability of the Pro-Jump spring is better than the Powerskip, but for me the PowerSkip frame quality has always been its USP, you can just see the better quality aluminium and the better finish and I would say the same about the SpeedJumper frame - its about how much you appreciate the part quality but that comes with a price its whether you think that is worth paying 4 times more for yourself.
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Surely it would be easier just to buy them straight from Lothar then Naz? instead of going through PJ, means you don't loose money and LOthar gets all the profit :S
DC
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At the moment, its probably better for Lothar to sell to the UK through Pro-Jump due to the way the patent contract and royalties work. There is not much profit in selling these stilts for me and Lothar can confirm this, that is the reason why I am trying to see if there is a market for them as after administration costs I probably will not be making anything on them - the only reason I am doing this or even considering it is to give a greater choice to the UK consumers as I don't want them missing out or having to travel to Germany to buy them. This post is to see if its better to get them in so we can delivery next day or simply order them in for customers as and when they want them.
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;-)
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Although it would be nice to say next day, I think it would be more viable to have them sent from Germany
DC
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I see what you mean Naz with profits and things so you could like get a few put them on a limited time only offer see how well they sell, if its amazingly well then you take them on if they don't sell because conservative are raising tax and making everyone poor then don't take them on :P
Easy peasy :P :Claugh:
Not jason :CGEEK:
(don't ask why I thought it would be funny :P)
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Next day would be ideal.
But how long would an order take to get to the customer if it's made by the order?
A week? 4?
If it's a speedy time frame doing it by the order would be your safest bet. But if it'll take a month then I'm sure that would make most people change their mind and order something they can get quicker. When getting stilts people want to start using them like right away.
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Naz, I agree with Locky about warranty.
I was told by Lothar that Germany has a 2 year warranty system, which sound amazing, if this is available in the UK I would be more willing to pay out more for a decent set
DC
I'm not sure whether the spring or parts such as bushings etc is covered by that? I would have thought that the 2 years covers the frame only.
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I disagree with the next day bit
If you are spending £1000+ on something next day delivery is not the most important thing I mean how many people don't buy Skips because it takes a couple of weeks to get them
Quality and a good warranty are far more important
The sort of person buying them will already have at least one pair and probably more and is not gonna change their mind and buy PJ's just because they can get them quicker
When it boils down to it they seem to be the only top range stilt on the market that has a reliable higher weight spring so you can't just buy something different as there isn't a direct competitor
So it's like buying a Rolls/Morgan/Nobel you order and wait because it is the best
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
By the way the wife read this over my shoulder and said "How Much !!" :Claugh: It has just taken me 10 mins to calm her down and assure her that I won't be buying some unless we win the lottery :Cbiggrin:
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ok my 2 pence worth :Csmile:
naz i think they will be alot like the skips with only a verry small market also look at how many skips and skips pro's you sold i think it was the same with them if people was going to get skips they saved up that little bit more to get the pro as i know paul self got the skips then wanted to sell them for a long time as the pro came out as they dont have the foot plate and the skips do which was its main usp and the main usp for these is just the frams i think that for projump to import them and sell them would prob be a wast and if people do want them just wait for them with the longer order
i feel that projump is are the best stilts out there for everyone and vaule for money and i have bought most of the new modles as projump have brought them out from v5,v6 and the exo pro and cuff and bindings and all that jazz :Csmile: so i will only stick with projump and i cant afford that much i got away with getting exo pro but that was a whole months wage but had to have them so that my 2 pence worth :Csmile:
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The thing that is really exciting for me and many others I'm sure is a high end pair of stilts with cheap replacement parts as I posted earlier 325 pounds is silly money for a pair of skip springs their is always gonna be people who want high end priced stilts however small that Market is their is a Market and I think it would be a huge shame for these stilts not to hit the uk
As I said before people really need to try these stilts to feel the difference
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There are 2 points to balance:
If Naz would stock them, delivery would be as fast as now with the Exo etc. Even if it would be better for me too get larger orders at a time to plan and produce there is a pitfall. Naz cannot stock so much that she could take care for the best fitting springs for an order. If she would stock 10 or 20 Speedjumper Professional....which size?? 60th, 80th? Nobody will know, which orders will come in.
On the other hand....if we produce and customize after an order the Stilts will be perfect as possible for the Customer, but it could happen, that the charge in Germany is sold out, and a customer have to wait.
I don't know the answer, i just want to show the things and how they depend on each other.
Ok, many customer have also wait on the Exos for weeks or month, and when the stilts of the right size is sold out, we have the same problems also with cheap stilts.
Here for our Speedjumper customers, we re-assamble the stilts (also the cheap ones) to fit the best spring size, but that is much work.
A solution for Naz could be, to stock the base SJ Stilts and re-assemble the right Springs accourding to incoming orders. But that's not the way it works in UK, if you will get the best low prices. Than you cannot put a hand on each jumper.
So I think the most realistic way would be....not to stock it, wait like you must do for a customized car (hu hu Jason ;-) ) but you will get the most perfect fitting Speedjumper for your weight and skill. The fact that we deliver two different Types of Stilt makes the facts above not easier.
About the warranty for the Speedjumper:
We gave 2 years for the whole frame including bearings. We can, because you will not need to change the bearings, because the precision. The frames are out of doubt. You can give them to the kids of your kids, if you are to old to use them some day. ;-)
The rubbers for the Speedjumper hooves are not under warranty ;-) but as I showed earlier, it's a cheap part, and you can make it more longlasting if you bring it to your coupler.
With the springs....same problem for Naz. If the springs are ok, they will also in the SJ Stilts. And because the torsion power of Speedjumper Stilts is less than the Exos Frame, they will have less problems if any.
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I like the idea of making them customized for the person it gives it a more personal and meaningful style to the Speedjumpers.
I really wish I had the money for these beautiful stilts the precision that is used in making them must be the best quality
So... Christmas is coming up who's getting me these? :Ctongue: :Cnotworthy: :Claugh:
Brother Aidan :Cnotworthy:
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Alright I retract my statement about next day being the best option.
If I was able to get stilts customized to me. Like with the adjusting footplate, ect. I'd wait for them.
But that warranty is outstanding. 2 years for bearings? Awesome.
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(http://www.speedjumper.de/Bilder/Footplate1.jpg)
(http://www.speedjumper.de/Bilder/Footplate2.jpg)
(http://www.speedjumper.de/Bilder/Footplate3.jpg)
(http://www.speedjumper.de/Bilder/Footplate4.jpg)
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You should edit your photos size in photo shop before posting to give the viewers an easier image to see :P
But is that the adjustable foot plate?
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Second Pic is perfect for Size 42. Last Adjust is good for Size 48. The Position is adjustable in a range of 6cm total.
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I wear size 16 us. So anything that can get bigger is a huge improvement in my opinion.
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I had a customer with 110kg and huge feet. We customize him a special pair of footplates, which are more width for a small additional fee ;-)
That's what I mean by...we can customize individually. Itm US 13 is the standard lenght which is "build in". Each US Number is 1cm more. 16 is very huge but I thing 2 cm more are possible without problems.
(http://www.speedjumper.de/Bilder/LargerFootplate.jpg)
For some people it will be important to notice, that the SJ Models have a shorter vertical bar, too. Because we know people how have problems to bend the legs 90degree with the "normal" models. ;-)
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How much shorter is it?
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3 Centimeter!
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That's about all the distance I've put padding on stilts for the shorter members of my club. Sounds awesome to me. It won't matter for my legs but I'm sure all the short folks out there will greatly enjoy it.
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Yes, Speedjumper are awesome in many ways. ;-)
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I think Naz need more input about her questions. Just 5 ppls about answer her questions. I am sure there are more who can answer whatever the answer will be. ;-)
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im really sorry to do this and i know that is a lot of movment on the foot plate but just to point out that the new exo pro's does have that too if you have the new modles you will see the three bolts if you losen them you can slide them to your foot size i know speedjumper can also make them longer aswell but the exo's do have this aswell but not to 6cm i would say about 3cm
sorry speedjumper but i myself would stick to projump i do love the look of your stilts and i understand the quality of them but i just cant see the need to spend that much more
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1. Do you think there is a market for these stilts in the UK?
Potentially, there are alot of pro's in the uk that many people dont know about.. there could be/is a niche.
Maybe come up with a heavy advertising campaign? I think Speedjumper as a brand doesn't stand out at the minute, and it needs to be pushed into the Uk market. People willing to pay alot of money are going to go straight for Powerskips for obvious reasons, quality, originals etc.
Speedjumper needs to find that spot first.
2. Do you think the price tag is justified considering many of the parts are shared with the Pro-Jump Exo Range?
Ill be honest, I dont know. If the frame, parts etc are custom fit and made for you then yes maybe it does justify the price.
3. Would you personally buy one of these stilts realistically within the next 6 months? (take into account your budget, we would all like to buy a sports car but that does not mean we will actually go out and buy one)
Nope, dont stilt enough to need them.
4. Are you a potential buyer of one of these stilts within the next 6 weeks, and would you consider putting a deposit down for one?
see above
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What is the decision on these?
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What is the decision on these?
On price? They have been on sale for a while.
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i know this post is old now but a video came to light of my first few bounces on speedjumper pros i was still getting used to the difference center of gravity compared to my skips hence the legs kicking a bit!
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Yes, I remember. You was the guy, where i was afraid of your high, cause i do not want any accidents on my stilts.
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What is the decision on these?
On price? They have been on sale for a while.
Where? I've checked the store and haven't seen them listed.
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We havent decided anything yet, If someone in the UK wants them I'm more than willing to get them in. Been busy so havent managed to finalise anything with lothar.
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i really really really want some as you know naz i got some skips 640's pro model i love them to bits but im finding the springs are a little week on them now and i have to control myself to get the best and not bottom them and what i have heard from paul these are stupidly powerful so i would love them BUT no pivoting foot plate as i do alot of trampolining i am constantly shouted at for not pointing my feet and that trate has carried on through to my bocking style and the problem i have with standard foot plates is i snap out of bindings in flips it has happened to me on a couple of pairs first my 7's with evo 2 bindings then my older pj's with normal ones so the moving plate is ideal for me coz i can point my feet and my shoes r bolted to the frame so problem fixed if i could get some speed jumpers customised with a moving plate i would buy some right now this minute
Ta Greg
(edit: or if my skip foot plate would connect to the frame and crossbar of this brand that would be good)
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yes... The Sprog Speaks the truth... his answer is the same as mine is.. like them - Can't justify spending more than 200 for something I only have the time to use 5 times a year.. If I won the lottery and lived a life of leisure I would buy a pair of these and spend the rest of my life on them... sorry but not for me just yet!
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but what exactly are the differences between EXO pro's, SJ Quantums and SJ pro's? what parts are the same? what is constructed in a different way and so on..
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Imagine you can get the most perfect frame, with perfect beerings. The frame is stable and does not make any torsion movement. Footplates are perfectly to fit each footsize and will not bend.
What does all this mean? If i am talking about a perfect frame i mean....longlasting, stable without weakpoints.
The Footplates of the quantum are simplier than the ones for the Professional. But....They are made from 5mm Aluminium of best material. We thought about use the Exos Footplate first. They are cheap and seems to be ok. But the reality is...the Chinese Footplate are not ok. The front cannot be fit to the questioned footsizes, and the rear footplate ist much to width. You slipper from left to right. So we decide to make our own Footplates. They are expansive in production but work perfectly.
The Bindings are from ProJump, so they are ok. much better than the standard bindings for the Exo.
The Cuffs are enhanced, because the original Cuffs from China are produced silly.
The parts of the Professional are made much more enhanced than for the Quantum. The Frame is ONE Part. This is absolutly uniquick of the world of Stilts. There is no Stilt which is using a one part frame. The production one more time is very special. We cut it from a 30mm table of Aluminium with water.
About the bearings (Quantum and Prof):
We drill a 13.5mm hole in the frame and worked it out to exactly 14mm. The normal producing is to shot from one side through the frame. That results in a "about" 14mm whole, with bad tolerances. If the tolerance is bad, the wholes are wider after 2 or 3 weekes which result in defective bearings. Our construction is longlasting and exactly. After more than one year, you cannot notify any difference to the state directly after production.
and so on....
But anyway...I am sure, nobody can notify the quality before he stands one time on a Speedjumper Model personally.
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When you say perfect bearings Speedjumper do you mean a perfect fit or do you use a different material for them
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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I took it as a perfect fit. Seems good that they drill the holes rather then punching them out.
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For a perfect bearing you need both, that's the key. Wholes for the bearing with minimum tolerance and best bearings. We use bearings from a leader of this kind of business. They have a research for nearly all kinds of bearing questions. Heat or coldness, fast movements or slow etc...
All parts of the bearing complex should be very precious. We have an "over-all" tolerance of less an human hair.
If tolerance is very small----> the bearing do not slow your movement AND it's long lasting.
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If I had more money I would purchase these.
Saw them in action at the French Bocking Contest and they truly amazing.
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tnx, see u at Nancy?
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I must admit my intrest in the bearings was due to making my own bushes
I agree with you about the fit being important and ream the holes out to a uniform size
I also tend to make the bearings oversize to get a good intrference fit in the frames that stops them rotating
Once fitted I then reem the inner of the bearing to a slight interference fit on the spindle then polish the spindle to the bush
I have one set of bearings that have been in fairly regular use for 2 years now and show no signs of wear
So I imagine yours will give good long service Speedjumper
It was more the bearing material that I was interested in (I understand if it is a trade secret :Claugh:)
I use 30% Glass filled Nylon as recomended by a company called Einsinger (Think the spelling is right ) this is the same stuff Powerskip use and I have found it to be very good as the nlon makes it stable but forgiving to impact and the glass makes it very hard wearing and almost frictionless if silicon is used as a lube
Jason :Hoofies2: :CGEEK:
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Right Jason!
We do not buy from Eisinger, but maybe similar material. The bearings are from really good quality. It's a kind of plastic as you know, but not comparable with that was other brands are using.
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tnx, see u at Nancy?
Wouldn't miss it for the world. Best Bocking event I ever been tooo and that's not me being over enthusiastic - BEST EVER :Cbiggrin:
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Imagine you can get the most perfect frame, with perfect beerings. The frame is stable and does not make any torsion movement. Footplates are perfectly to fit each footsize and will not bend.
What does all this mean? If i am talking about a perfect frame i mean....longlasting, stable without weakpoints.
The Footplates of the quantum are simplier than the ones for the Professional. But....They are made from 5mm Aluminium of best material. We thought about use the Exos Footplate first. They are cheap and seems to be ok. But the reality is...the Chinese Footplate are not ok. The front cannot be fit to the questioned footsizes, and the rear footplate ist much to width. You slipper from left to right. So we decide to make our own Footplates. They are expansive in production but work perfectly.
The Bindings are from ProJump, so they are ok. much better than the standard bindings for the Exo.
The Cuffs are enhanced, because the original Cuffs from China are produced silly.
The parts of the Professional are made much more enhanced than for the Quantum. The Frame is ONE Part. This is absolutly uniquick of the world of Stilts. There is no Stilt which is using a one part frame. The production one more time is very special. We cut it from a 30mm table of Aluminium with water.
About the bearings (Quantum and Prof):
We drill a 13.5mm hole in the frame and worked it out to exactly 14mm. The normal producing is to shot from one side through the frame. That results in a "about" 14mm whole, with bad tolerances. If the tolerance is bad, the wholes are wider after 2 or 3 weekes which result in defective bearings. Our construction is longlasting and exactly. After more than one year, you cannot notify any difference to the state directly after production.
and so on....
But anyway...I am sure, nobody can notify the quality before he stands one time on a Speedjumper Model personally.
Its not the size of the foot plate or position im talking about with my powerskip pro model the foot plate pivots up and down freely whilst i am on them is there a way of getting this on speed jumpers ?
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We sold a Powerskip Pro Copy years ago, but there is very few request for these Kind of models from the customer.
The advantage of a pivoting footplate is not as much it look like first. Beginners have the problem, that there is an additional axis to controul. Most of my customers with pivoting footplates fixed it after a while with a bold or rivets.
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im quite a experienced (ask most people on here they will tell u what im like lol) bocker and i love that movement as i have a gymnastic background i always point my toes and with bindings i snap out of them in mid flip so i cant use static footplates would you still be able to make a pair with the moving plate ?
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Hi Greggle,
Speedjumper is constructing and producing very high sofisticated Stilts. Of course, we can ;-) But it would be a special individual product, means not cheap. The advantage would be more range for Jumping, because we use all the time the new Springs. All our Stilts have about 10cm more range of spring which leads to more high and a better "trampoline"-feeling.
Our production did an absolut stable stilt from full material (like the Speedjumper Professional) but with only 3.3 Kg
But this is not for the mass, it's also an individual stilt. This is what Catallian saw in Saarebourg, maybe u read his comment about ;-)