brucie, arghhh.....oops i did it again, i would recomend to anyone jumping make sure your knees are well padded out, the best way to do this is by using ONLY pro jump shin knee pads the others are not as good, the proof is in the pudding, iv just heard that pro jump have got some great new safety gear in stock, take my advise check it out, please dont try what im doing in pics without safety gear, keep posted for my new training skool sponsored by PRO JUMP, starting next week.